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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:50:00 -
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None of those options unfortunately.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:10:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:The only thing that clear rules will do is that people will find loopholes in them. "don't be stupid and if you are we'll decide what to do with you" is a much better rule, partly because of the basic nature of EVE and mostly because being able to determine the borders on your own is part of being a normal human being.
But there is another way forward that could help the people selecting option 1, while also placating those selecting option 2.
There is already a huge body of knowledge of decisions made in response to petitions, however the rules as they currently stand prevent any disclosure of those rulings.
As players, there is potential to repeat the errors of others from the past, because we have no general guide to how CCP apply their rules; and as this is an international community, CCP should realise that the cultural background of people influences how they go about decision making processes.
Some people are comfortable with completely open-ended processes that allow their judgement, while others more happily work within written guidelines.
Wouldn't it be possible to in general head down the option 2 path, but to help guide members of the community, by publishing a list of redacted decisions that players can refer to as a general guide.
No names, no specifics about individual cases, but a "case law" for want of a better term, where CCP lays down a growing body of decisions they have made to different petition question raised.
This isn't fully thought through yet, so I need to think on it more and come back to it.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:34:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:CSM was too busy in meetings with CCP during the thing for forum posts, though Malcanis and Mike Azariah were keeping tabs on and posting in the original threadnaught.
So in other words, only Malcanis and Mike were actually engaging with the community they were elected to represent.
You were too busy to actually come and discuss it with everyone in what was one of the most heated discussions in the community's history.
Instead, you were adding your own individual view as though it was representative of the community?
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:37:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:You mistake the direction of my post. If we shoot at anything, including NPC's ... that is the simulated killing of human beings. How then can we honestly get mad over someone saying "I'm gonna kill you?" .... unless you have some kind of actionable intelligence that they have the means to do something out of game?
There is a difference between, "I'm going to kill you" as in kill your character in the game; and "I hope you get cancer in real life and die a horrible, painful death".
Nowhere near the same thing.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:41:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Because it would have been SO MUCH BETTER, if the CSM would have been totally engaged...
Since you capitalized it, I guess you really meant it.
+1 then.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:42:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:They did, and now my colleague is attempting to gather feedback for ongoing discussions. Which, heroic effort, I could not manage this much forum thread.
I don't think you read his question.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:55:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't think you read his question.
He was suggesting we hadn't been involved earlier. I posted stuff indicating we were.
No, he was asking you to show him where CCP is obliged to listen at all to the CSM.
It isn't except through it's own internal policies and procedures, which can be changed at any time. However that doesn't mean CCP doesn't listen to the CSM.
Aside from Malcanis and Mike, who did come and engage with members of the community who on average have almost 0 to very little interaction with the CSM members, the rest of the CSM were off elsewhere.
They were either actively involved in whipping up the issue to begin with, were hiding behind their third-party platforms or just hiding all together.
Certainly my trust in the CSM has been significantly eroded by this and I would just rather CCP didn't bother with a CSM anymore. For the most part, the representation seems rather pointless.
However, that view is an outside view. The CSM may well perform fantastically on behalf of the community. If so, it seems there is a significant communication problem because I know I'm not the only person who thinks the CSM is a waste of time. Some of the feedback in the "who are you voting for" thread is fairly direct in that sense too.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:27:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And option 2, the status quo, is what started this mess in the first place.
Clearly, the increasingly toxic atmosphere in Eve proves that the status quo is NOT working.
What mess?
Most of the playerbase have zero knowledge of what happened here in the last week. Its only a very, very small percentage of the players that have formed any sort of opinion one way or the other and contributed their thoughts.
In some regards, all of us here on the forum could be referred to as the fringe in the game when by most other measures, a different view of reality suggests that the bulk of the players are just out there playing their game and doing everything they have always done completely oblivious to any sort of issue.
If there is a mess at all, it wouldn't be what but who. The mess is us, the "games fanatics" for want of a better term. CCP has to expend a lot of energy only on us for very little return, though I'm glad they do.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:22:00 -
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Goa Chai wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should finally make a second server. Call it "hardcore" and run it as per rule 3. It would be interesting to see which gets higher population numbers, the hardcore server, or the nanny state server.
Clearly by a long margin it would be the nanny state.
A hardcore server is just people flying around killing other people who want to fight. That's lowsec.
The nanny state server would be full of people not wanting to be blown up. Many more fun targets for many more people.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Gilbaron wrote:
So, whenever vince draken runs a fleet on TeamSpeak and calls me a niggercunt I can scream cybermobbing and ask ccp to ban him? Or when progod screams for more logi, can I get the guys who don't switch banned for causing progods blood pressure to rise exponentially?
I really hope you have proof of this because that one hell of a accusation to make
The correct answer would be, go take the issue to the TS owners and/or owner of the server where the TS was hosted. That's where the issue occurred and if someone wanted to raise an issue, it should be with the owners of the platform where the breach (of society's norms and laws) occurred or directly through legal means.
Although the issue would have been connected with EvE in terms of the game being played, the breach happened elsewhere. Not CCPs issue. Despite obvious parallels and comparisons with recent decisions, we can't as a community be asking CCP to police breaches of their policies on third-party platforms.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:47:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Its obvious a whole lot of people cared before hand.... they just didn't care enough or have enough evidence to really battle the hardcore dickhead forum dwelling scum that tends to try and drown out voices of reason and humanity.
Guys time to back off and stop putting your opinion across.
It seems Kyperion is close to an emotional meltdown.
Look after his sensibilities and show more compassion. His responses are your fault.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:53:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Not trolling, I am honestly dumbfounded here. Why do you feel that shouldn't be taken seriously? The short answer is that the outcome matched what he thought should be done.
In effect, CCP's decision validated his view of the situation and in that case, there is no need to think critically about the issue any further. He has moved on already, content that the World is all ok irrespective of any other views of the situation.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:01:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:and yer you havent, elsewise you wouldnt BE here.
so yeah, actions > words
Most of my energy on this now is being directed in game as I still disagree strongly with the way Ripard went about what he did and believe that his actions did a lot to enflame the issue from the start.
However, no words will result in him acknowledging this, so I'm taking that in game to ensure that everything he finds bad about the game lives on stronger than ever. Until yesterday I had never ganked anyone in highsec and didn't even really play much in highsec. As a result, another character of mine has started to broaden my experience in the game.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:42:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:It's easier to keep an eye on the riffraff if you keep them all corralled in the same thread. I sure hope you are including yourself among the riff-raff. 
I think he's more like a prison warden. Even they have to walk among the inmates.
He could also be like the staff in the psych ward. That's probably more appropriate.
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